May 18, 2025 https://cdn.simplecast.com/audio/2cbc5e69-f285-41ae-b957-b162fe28f88f/episodes/e34d8a29-0e39-4a04-8d64-67ff3375f06f/audio/6860f2a1-bc90-4a44-9fbb-1589f932a4f1/default_tc.mp3