January 5, 2025 https://cdn.simplecast.com/audio/2cbc5e69-f285-41ae-b957-b162fe28f88f/episodes/f45b8774-69bf-4dc7-b7f8-91c6f7fbe1e4/audio/b10127e3-a8ba-4e44-abc1-552431a28c12/default_tc.mp3