January 12, 2025 https://cdn.simplecast.com/audio/2cbc5e69-f285-41ae-b957-b162fe28f88f/episodes/733a42d9-c61c-43b7-9b71-1a3ae95a2ada/audio/a6f27f31-e5c0-497b-927a-3a4067b0a8a0/default_tc.mp3