January 19, 2025 https://cdn.simplecast.com/audio/2cbc5e69-f285-41ae-b957-b162fe28f88f/episodes/14b5a490-b5d7-4abc-833c-f8fd4fc11889/audio/ca1910ec-e8ea-4f74-bb6f-9d04a51974c0/default_tc.mp3